Leader of the Opposition in Trinidad & Tobago, Basdeo Panday, was most incensed at the suggestion that his meeting with Prime Minister Patrick Manning could be about anything but the very important national and constitutional matters the office holders of PM and L of the O are constitutionally bound to have from time to time. He dismissed outright suggestions by speculators ranging from Leader of the No Position (aka Congress of the People Political Leader, Winston Dookeran) to the usually PNM-friendly Selwyn Ryan that the timing of the meeting could suggest they might try to reach some sort of political agreement.
Mr Manning hasn't issued his own denial yet. That one is likely to come, if it comes at all, in a much more laidback, obviously-I'm-on-the-Bible-and-mellow tone.
If it does come from Mr Manning, we would then have had word from the only two people in Trinidad & Tobago who know for sure what they will talk about.
But will anyone believe them?
It's almost worth it though, to see the well-faked pained looks. "Oh Gorm! All you think I would lie?" (Or, "Ladies and gentlemen, does anyone really think the Prime Minister would lie?)
What you think they will discuss at the "Diplomatic Centre" today? Matters of national importance? Or matters of narrow self-interest?
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written by Dr L. Neville Roach-Lord, November 04, 2009
Sempteentwotothow...
Have you recently been released from St. Ann's, or the fact Mandela was released from prison and YOUR (it is impossible you could be a TRINI) country is now ruled by the NIGGERS you so despise? I strongly suggest you accept the MASSA days are over, and you might find yourself cleaning one of wealthy coolies car. Especially with the recession. Suggest you seek psychiatric help, I would even pay for the treatments, you poor creature of mankind.
Have you recently been released from St. Ann's, or the fact Mandela was released from prison and YOUR (it is impossible you could be a TRINI) country is now ruled by the NIGGERS you so despise? I strongly suggest you accept the MASSA days are over, and you might find yourself cleaning one of wealthy coolies car. Especially with the recession. Suggest you seek psychiatric help, I would even pay for the treatments, you poor creature of mankind.
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written by Kenny boy, November 04, 2009
What was interesting was the the LOTO mentioned on TV that his old putting green at the PM's residence had been cleared away to make room for extensions to the existing structure. Maybe the meeting was about golf.
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written by Justin Castagne, November 04, 2009
We just have a new massa name Patrick.
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written by Dr L. Neville Roach-Lord, November 05, 2009
Mr Castagne....There's really no reason for racial slurs or intemperate, insulting comments when it comes to dealing with opinions. An opinion is a notion without responsibility. Sempteentwothow remarks, were comparable to the rantings of a member of the BNP in this country. Racism infers an assumption of racial superiority and a harmful intent. In a civilized country this is not tolerated. Indeed Mr. Manning is a flawed leader, but against Septeentwothow he is made acceptable to most.
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written by Bacon Sempteentwothow, November 05, 2009
you to this, then (and I want no payment...):
During the 1960’s, Sir Hugh Wooding proposed having a voting system comprising the first-past-the-post (FPP) (the system used presently) AND proportional representation (PR). But Williams and the PNM and their conmen rejected it, because it would have been the death knell of the PNM as was (“Nah, boy, we ‘African’ go looze pawah, and dem ‘Eendian’ go benefit, an’ we cyah have dat!…”).
That proposed mixed-voting system defeated the intent of racially-gerrymandered electoral boundaries in Trinidad implemented for PNM’s benefit.
The FPP-PR system –properly instituted and not conman instituted, obviously- makes/made ALL parties contesting elections ‘equal,’ starting at the start line, rather than ahead of it as racial gerrymandering does/did for the PNM. It removed the unfairly-gerrymandered-derived power of the vote AWAY from the PNM voting mob, and distributed it evenly-equally to ALL T&T voting citizens.
Knowing that they (PNM) maintained power via their ‘African’ bretheren, PNM’s power would have been diminished by the FPP-PR system of voting. It meant that they would have been forced to contest elections with their racial lynchpin hampered/diminished. In this way, therefore, PNM would have faced the electorate on an equal footing with the other parties contesting: the race factor would have been subsumed for ANY party or individual who wanted to use race to ‘get into power.’
But Williams and his PNM conmen didn’t want that, did they??
Even with the FPP-PR system of voting, it STILL wouldn’t have decreased the irreversible intent of the ‘African’ mob voting for PNM, ‘voting fo dey race,’ nor its equivalent other, the ‘Indian’ mob, voting for [dey own kine as well...].
(And you do know that Panday and the PNM conmen are allies who exploit this, and pretend they are adversaries, don’t you?)
NOBODY, not even you or I, can stop anybody else ‘voting fo dey race’ if they wish, if their CULTURE exploded / amplified race as being important despite any arguments to the contrary (‘I ‘African’ therefore I superior to all other races??’). (What is more important or of no import? Culture or race?) What is PNM’s Nazi-brother-inherited, Idi-Amin-Bokassa, voting mob culture?? ‘F^($ dem Eendian?’, ‘ “We ‘Africans’ ha toe remain on top, an we ha toe stop dem ‘Eendian’ from progressing,” by using affirmative-action policies?’ ‘Dem Eendian teef??’
And I’m SURE [you] (a lover of equality??) would want to cite other examples of others defending their race…
Sir Hugh Wooding, I’m of the opinion, understood and realized the non-importance and danger of race as a determining factor in elevating one or a party into political power, hence his FPP-PR system. In his own way, he tried to steer the PNM away from it (race), but he didn’t succeed; Eric and the PNM conmen and their conmen allies didn’t want it so.
So here we are today in the worse off electoral condition.
Bacon172000.
During the 1960’s, Sir Hugh Wooding proposed having a voting system comprising the first-past-the-post (FPP) (the system used presently) AND proportional representation (PR). But Williams and the PNM and their conmen rejected it, because it would have been the death knell of the PNM as was (“Nah, boy, we ‘African’ go looze pawah, and dem ‘Eendian’ go benefit, an’ we cyah have dat!…”).
That proposed mixed-voting system defeated the intent of racially-gerrymandered electoral boundaries in Trinidad implemented for PNM’s benefit.
The FPP-PR system –properly instituted and not conman instituted, obviously- makes/made ALL parties contesting elections ‘equal,’ starting at the start line, rather than ahead of it as racial gerrymandering does/did for the PNM. It removed the unfairly-gerrymandered-derived power of the vote AWAY from the PNM voting mob, and distributed it evenly-equally to ALL T&T voting citizens.
Knowing that they (PNM) maintained power via their ‘African’ bretheren, PNM’s power would have been diminished by the FPP-PR system of voting. It meant that they would have been forced to contest elections with their racial lynchpin hampered/diminished. In this way, therefore, PNM would have faced the electorate on an equal footing with the other parties contesting: the race factor would have been subsumed for ANY party or individual who wanted to use race to ‘get into power.’
But Williams and his PNM conmen didn’t want that, did they??
Even with the FPP-PR system of voting, it STILL wouldn’t have decreased the irreversible intent of the ‘African’ mob voting for PNM, ‘voting fo dey race,’ nor its equivalent other, the ‘Indian’ mob, voting for [dey own kine as well...].
(And you do know that Panday and the PNM conmen are allies who exploit this, and pretend they are adversaries, don’t you?)
NOBODY, not even you or I, can stop anybody else ‘voting fo dey race’ if they wish, if their CULTURE exploded / amplified race as being important despite any arguments to the contrary (‘I ‘African’ therefore I superior to all other races??’). (What is more important or of no import? Culture or race?) What is PNM’s Nazi-brother-inherited, Idi-Amin-Bokassa, voting mob culture?? ‘F^($ dem Eendian?’, ‘ “We ‘Africans’ ha toe remain on top, an we ha toe stop dem ‘Eendian’ from progressing,” by using affirmative-action policies?’ ‘Dem Eendian teef??’
And I’m SURE [you] (a lover of equality??) would want to cite other examples of others defending their race…
Sir Hugh Wooding, I’m of the opinion, understood and realized the non-importance and danger of race as a determining factor in elevating one or a party into political power, hence his FPP-PR system. In his own way, he tried to steer the PNM away from it (race), but he didn’t succeed; Eric and the PNM conmen and their conmen allies didn’t want it so.
So here we are today in the worse off electoral condition.
Bacon172000.
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written by Justin Castagne, November 05, 2009
Neville, I think you must be mixing up my posts with Bacon's. I don't understand why you are lecturing me on racial slurs and insulting comments. I was merely pointing our the naivety of your comment given what passes for leadership in T&T. Also you neglect to mention that in your own civilized country the leader of the BNP was recently invited to air his racist views on BBC primetime television. Don't get me wrong the UK is far more civilized than T&T, but referring to the BNP and then saying such racism is not tolerated in civilized countries in the next sentence is a bit of a contradiction. Giwwee some latin next time nah!
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written by Dr L. Neville Roach-Lord, November 06, 2009
Bacon...it's difficult reply to your rantings,implied obscenities,racial slurs, it is distressing to me, query how this forum could allow such insane racial rantings? As I have said previously, you are definitely not well, at least mentally, suggest you seek treatment,as I know you are heading for St. Anns. Incidentally, I'm not a member of any political party. Hugh Wooding, Eric Williams were men of the era, nothing else, nothing more. Both have served their purposes. We are dealing with issues of today, not yesterday, even though we are governed by memories of the past. Admittedly, TT is experiencing socio/economical/political issues as most countries. Nearly everything is solveable/survivable, it depends on how you play it, since we are fighting both reality and perception. There is no need to make offensive commments, how can one truly engage with one's point of view?
Wermit Ungeheuern kampft, mag zusehn,dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.
Wermit Ungeheuern kampft, mag zusehn,dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.
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written by Dr L. Neville Roach-Lord, November 06, 2009
Mr Castagne,an attempt was made to explain the reason why I mentioned 'MASSA days are over' revelant to your remark 'MASSA day not done' I do not give tutorials, primarily I ask questions. The mention of lecturing was misapplied. The BNP was given an opportunity by the BBC to air their views because they had won an MEP (Member of the European Parliament)seat. Being a member they were invited to sit on the panel of the programme called Question Time. Inspite of the reality BNP views are largely unacceptable, but the Democracy under which which we live and work had to be applied. Do bear in mind the audience asked the questions. The error Mr Castagne is not in the writing, but in the reading.
Invisa numquam imperia retinentur diu.
Invisa numquam imperia retinentur diu.
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(I hold the opinion, ‘Fkuc the niggers and coolies in T&T.’ However, that does not mean that I’m in favor of the affirmative action facist sith of, ‘holding back the Indians in T&T from progressing so that the Africans could “catch up.” What the fkuc does that mean?? ‘You’ fail, and ‘I’ have to pay de price??)
The conman business deals going on right now, like Udecott, have to have the status quo intact, that is, Manning and Panday party in political control over the country. They cannot afford to have a better political party or parties in power, because that would mean exposure of the corrupt deals which went down (before) and are going down right now, and the corrupt business interests involved have too much to lose in terms of ‘ripping off’ the country.
And don’t think for one moment that Panday and company are not benefitting from all the conman deals going on.
And, as an aside, I don’t think one iota about Keith Rowley and his ‘integrity.’ “Oh, I am doing this [what he’s doing now] because I want to show my children, ‘integrity’ ” or whatever equivalent statement(s) the media attributed to him (and he did mention his children, he placed them in the public sphere!) His children should ask their daddy, “Daddy, why didn’t you publicly and in the media condemn the coup attempt against the legally-elected 1986-1991 government?? Didn’t you have any, ‘integrity,’ then, daddy??? Huh, daddy, huh?? You have, ‘integrity,’ now??”
Integrity my ass!